Bellagio Craps Part 2, Detailed Overview and Commentary
I get a lot of questions regarding the videos and what is happening in the videos. With the actual videos, I can only have so much written commentary. People want to mostly see the action. But there are a lot of beginners who want to learn about the game, and they would like a more detailed commentary on what is going on.
I’m going to answer them right here in a segment that goes into a detailed analysis of what is happening.
Hopefully, by watching my videos, you come to love the game of craps as much as I do. We need new players, or else craps will go the way of Caribbean Stud or Let it Ride!
I will correlate my comments with an identifying time mark. If you are a beginner, I recommend you read my commentary here and watch the video; in whichever priority allows you to best absorb the information. I promise that you will learn a lot. You will learn how to play craps without risking your own money.
The video starts with the shooter at a point of 6. This is a continuation of the last video, Bellagio Craps part 1.
This table has a $15 minimum.
So let me explain simply the win and loss conditions. See the white puck in the video? When that puck is white, if the 7 rolls, the pass line bets lose. The pass line bets ALWAYS lose if the puck is white and the 7 rolls. If the 6 rolls, then it’s a winner. A winner on the pass line pays even money, meaning if you bet $15, then you win $15.
The five rolls.
So what happens to the pass line? Nothing happens to the pass line.
At this juncture, the only thing that matters to the pass line bet is that a six will win, and a 7 will result in the pass line losing. If any other number appears, the shooter keeps shooting until either the point (in this case the 6) or the 7 appears.
Notice that I said nothing happens to the pass line. You can have action on the 5 so that you win or lose on the 5, but that’s a separate bet from the pass line, as you will see at the :18 mark.
The dealer closest to me pays me on the 5. I had a $15 pass line bet with $60 odds. The pay off is $15 for the pass, and $90 for the odds bet, for a total $105. Why do the odds pay $90, if I only bet $60? Because the odds bet pays ‘true’ odds, meaning it pays according to your real chances of winning versus losing. The chances of losing are 6 to 4 because there are six ways to roll a losing 7 (remember the white puck) and 4 ways to roll a winning 5. 6 to 4 is the same as 3 to 2. if you’re confused by the math, just think of the odds payoff on a 9 or a 5 the same as blackjack.
It’s a 3x,4x,5x table, so max odds on the number 5 is 4x.
The shooter rolls a 7, so he loses. There are six ways to roll a 7: 6+1, 1+6, 5+2, 2+5, 4+3, and 3+4. There are two dice, so on each dice, there can be the possibility of any of the numbers from 1-6. That’s why 6+1 and 1+6 are two different possible outcomes.
The dealer in the center with the stick in his hand is known as the stickman, aka the ‘stick’ to be gender neutral.
The stick at :54 is handling the ATS bets. ATS stands for “All, Tall, Small’. What are the ATS bets, for those who aren’t familiar? It’s a side bet in craps that the shooter will roll a series of numbers before the shooter rolls a 7.
If you look closely, you will see three boxes where the dealer is handling the ATS bets. I’ve marked out the ATS bets in the picture below.
The All means that the shooter will roll a 2,3,4,5,6,8,9,10,11,12 before he rolls a 7. The payoff at this table is 150-1.
The Small means that the shooter bets he will roll a 2,3,4,5,6 before he rolls a 7. The payoff at this table is 30-1.
The Tall means he is betting that he will roll an 8,9,10,11,12. The payoff at this table is 30-1.
It does not matter if the shooter rolls the same number; rather, it only matters that the number is rolled at least once. For example, if the shooter rolled a 6,6,5,9,8,11,11,2,3 and 4, the shooter will win the Small bet because the shooter rolled a 2,3,4,5, and 6 before the shooter rolled a 7. Once the bet wins, it starts all over again.
The position of the chips tells the stick which player has made the ATS bet.
The ATS bet is a very popular bet. It tends to hit relatively frequently, compared to the older Fire Bet, which rarely ever hit. The Fire Bet is starting to fade away in favor of the ATS.
There is a buy-in from a player in the corner. The player who did the buy-in is the player ‘in the hook’. The term ‘in the hook’ refers to a player who is in the corner, usually on the side closest to the stick. The player in the corner near the dealer (farther away from the stick) is sometimes referred to as the ‘outside hook’.
Notice that the player in the hook has bought in while the action is off. This is a wise time to buy in because there is a pause in the action. There is no written rule that says you must wait until the action is off (or ‘between points’, is another way of saying it); rather, it’s just a courtesy to the players and especially to the shooter. You will see many times, people buy in right in the middle of a roll. The casino is not going to say ‘no’ to money.
The floor drops the money. So I had a comment asking, ‘why is there no boxman?’ I can tell this question came from an old-time gambler. In the old days, there was always a ‘boxman’ who would sit in a chair in between the two dealers. See the guy who drops the money? If he was a real full-time boxman, he would be sitting down. He’s not; rather, he’s standing.
Casinos in Las Vegas have shifted to a model where the floor person (supervisor below the pit boss) goes from craps table to craps table and watches the game, ensuring that procedure is being followed by the staff and the players. It’s a way of cost-cutting. Most casinos outside of Las Vegas still use the full time sitting boxman.
A new shooter in the hook nearest the dealer. There is a new shooter because the last shooter 7’ed out.
1:49 – 2:09
The shooter takes 20 seconds to set the dice, do his ritual, and then shoot the dice. People on Youtube have commented on his unorthodox pre-shoot routine. Many players would be annoyed that he took so long and then chucked the dice down the table, with no care whatsoever.
I’m not going to comment on the dice control or dice influence aspect because that’s just opening a hornet’s nest; however, I will say that I have no problem with his extended pre-shot routine. Craps is a negative expectation game, and the longer it takes in between rolls, the less you will lose per hour. The casino wants you to play fast; you should want to pay slow. The exception to the speed of play is if you somehow found an edge per hand.
The shooter rolls a 7 winner. Remember the puck? It’s black. Black puck means the 7 or 11 wins, 2,3, or 12, loses. All other numbers are ‘points’ which I will explain in a bit.
All pass line bets pay even money, meaning $15 pays $15.
The shooter rolls a six. So his point is 6. Again, this means that if he rolls his point of 6, he wins. If he rolls a 7, he loses.
Point numbers are 4,5,6,8,9,10.
See how everyone is putting money behind their pass line bet? They are making odds bets. Superstition and gambling fallacies aside, the odds bet is the best bet in the casino that is regularly offered (Bob Dancer could rightfully argue with what I just said, but full pay Deuces Wild, among other positive expectation video poker games, is not a regular offering anymore).
The odds bets pay true odds. Meaning that on the six, every $5 pays $6. So if the pass line bet was $15, and the odds bet was $75 (max because of 5x on the point of 6), then the payout, if the 6 rolled again would be $15 pass line and $90 odds, thus $105 total.
Player says ‘I’ll take an 8’.
This means he is making a place bet of 8. On a place bet, if the 8 rolls, he gets paid $7 for every $6. The reason the 8 has to pay more than even money is that there are more ways to lose than win, so $7 for every $6. It’s not ‘true’ odds. The house has a 1.52% edge on the bet.
If the 7 rolls, he loses.
I also bet the place 8. I like place bets because the house edge is low.
The dealer positions my chips. She knows which bet is mine and which is the fellow next to me via the placement of the chips.
This stick, who is a very good stick, is a bit OCD. He’s reaching his stick over to separate the odds bet from the place bet. He moved the chips about 1/8 of an inch.
The pass bets and the odds bets are kept separate because the house after the point is rolled, has a huge edge on the pass line bet, but the house has zero edge on the odds bet. Thus the staff is instructed to make sure that the chips on the pass line bet are not somehow shifted, either accidentally or on purpose, to the odds bet. The house would lose money if that happened.
‘Roll something good now’
The guys at the end are all friends. If I were you, and you didn’t know the shooter, I would not talk to the shooter as he’s about to roll. Many old timers hate that.
Younger players tend to be less bothered by direct talk while shooting. Maybe it’s a generational thing.
Many comments on Youtube were made that the shooter did all those rituals only to have a short roll. Well, it happens to all of us. I still like his ritual. Slows the game down. Also, I’m there to have fun. I’ve seen way more elaborate rituals.
3:56 – 4:30
The dealers collect all losing chips. Remember how in my other post, I said craps is both slow and fast? www.roadgambler.com/casino/love-craps-love-craps-love-craps/
‘I’ll take all the features, 2 each’
The ATS is also known as a ‘feature bet’. It’s not a ‘future’ bet, btw.
This means he wants to bet $2 on the All, $2 on the Small, and $2 on the Tall.
The player wanting the ‘feature bet’ pays the dealer near him but the stick puts up the chips. The crew is synched in their actions, as it is the sticks responsibility to set the chips. A very good and practiced crew. I tipped them well.
The guy who is saying the comment does not believe in dice control or dice influence or dice setting. He is just telling his friend to just throw the dice already.
If he tried doing this to a stranger, there is a good chance that there would be a fight at some point, or at the very least, some very ugly thoughts. Don’t ever do what he did, not even to your friend. We are all there to enjoy ourselves, and if my friend wants to take his time shooting, then that’s his business. I did find his behavior a bit hilarious, if not shocking.
One person on Youtube commented, ‘guy is my hero’. Lol. I found that comment funny because it shows the contrast between people who believe dice setting makes a difference and those who believe it makes no difference. Again, I am not going to enter this debate. I just report.
Point is 10
So now it means that you are twice as likely to lose the pass line as you are to win. Why? Because you have to roll a 10 to win. There are only 3 ways to roll a 10: 5+5, 6+4, and 4+6.
There are six ways to roll a losing 7.
However, true odds on the odds bet pays..2-1.
So the max odds on a $15 line bet is 3x the pass line, i.e., $45.
Total payout on a win would be $15 + $90 for a total of $105.
‘six and eight’
What does this mean?
It means that they are place betting the 6 and 8. When the point is NOT 6 or 8, people usually bet both the 6 and the 8. Rarely do people just bet either the 6 or the 8.
’18 on 8′
This means $18 place bet on the 8.
$18 place bet pays $21 because every $6 pays $7. Btw, saying ‘every $6 pays $7’ is the same as saying ‘the bets pays $7 for every $6.’ The operative word to look for is ‘pay’.
The stick is standing there looking at the dealer that is still placing chips. The sticks job is to make sure he doesn’t ‘run over’ his fellow dealer and not push out the dice before all bets are set.
Roll is 6.
Means place bets in the 6 win.
The female dealer is asking if I want to keep it or bring it down. She is NOT paying a place bet when she asks that. She is paying a COME bet. The come bet functions like a late pass line bet. For now, just think of it as a pass line bet, and it pays the same way as a pass line bet.
‘Eight, easy eight’
Means the roll was either 5+3 variant or 6+2 variant. Hard 8 would be 4+4.
In this case, it was 5+3.
Btw, you can make something called a ‘hop bet’ where you bet, on one roll, the exact combination that will come out. Pays 15-1 for a 5+3 variant (because if you ‘hop’ the 5+3, you will win with either 5+3 or 3+5, since the casino does not distinguish one dice from the other).
The dealer near me just passed me $35 because I had $30 on the 8.
See how the guy next to the shooter just reached down? The guy reaching down is adding more money to his odds bet. Warning: if the shooter is shooting the dice your way, DO NOT do that. Once the dice are out and in the shooters hands, do not every reach in. It’s a big courtesy violation. It’s not an actual written rule, but you will get lots of grief for doing it, and the dealers will admonish you.
Actually, you should not reach in, no matter what side of the dice you are on.
Make all your bets, add or subtract bets, while the dice are in the middle of the table.
All bets lose.
No one had a bet that would have won, such as hopping the 7 or a come bet.
Notice that stick puts out all five dice. This is known as ‘dumping the bowl’. A new shooter always gets his or her choice of which dice.
Actually, you can request to have the bowl dumped even if you are in the middle of a roll.
A new player puts down 3 yellow chips, worth $1000 each, for a $3000 buy in.
A player can buy in for cash or chips.
Notice that the player puts the chips on the felt, and doesn’t directly hand it to the dealer. The dealer is not allowed to accept chips or cash hand to hand. So if you are a beginner and want to seem like you know what you are doing, do what this new player did: just put your buy-in chips or cash in and around the same spot he did, and while the puck is black (OFF).
The player makes a feature bet late when the shooter is about to shoot. This is a courtesy violation, but again, it’s not a hard written rule. So the dealer books the bet. Sometimes, if you start to annoy the dealers with habitually late bets, they may say ‘no bet’, which rejects the bet.
So get your bets in early, while the dice are in the middle of the table.
‘Four easy four.’
Four is the point.
This means we are twice as likely to lose now, as we are to win.
I toss down $60 for a place bet of $30 on the 6 and $30 on the 8.
See the player on the far right of the screen?
He has a $25 pass line bet and 2x odds at $50.
Let’s see how well you understand the pass line bet.
If the point of 4 rolls next, it would be a winner.
What would his bet pay?
$25 pass line and $100 odds, for a total of $125.
8:42 – 8:46
‘I’ll take a 10’
‘five more dollars’
The player is trying to make a place bet on the 10 for $10. The dealer says $5 more dollars because the table minimum is $15.
A place bet on the 4 or 10 pays 9 to 5. So for his attempted $10 bet, it would pay $18. For his actual $15 bet, it would pay $27, if the 10 rolls.
7 rolls, he loses.
The shooter threw the dice off the table, and hit some chips in my rail and then bounced back in. If the dice had stayed in my rail, it would have been a no roll.
The dealer near me pays the player (to the right) for his 9 place bet. The place bet on 9 pays $7 for every $5, so his $25 bet pays $35. Note that if the payoff were true odds, it would pay $37.50. The house keeps the $2.50 as a fee. That’s how the house edge works. You pay when you win, and you pay when you lose.
That’s how casinos stay in business.
The same player with the 9 place bet is paid again, another $35. Unlike my come bet which I took down, most of the time, place bets stay up. Most people keep them up until the place bets lose, hoping to collect a significant amount before the bet loses.
I notice some comments that are in effect, ‘should have taken them down’, well, that’s easy to say in hindsight. It’s somewhat of a downer to take down the place bet, and then have the shooter go on a hot roll the numbers keep repeating. Many of us have had that happen.
‘There it is!’
That’s from the other tables. Craps is a party game, for sure.
‘3 craps, ace deuce’
3 craps does not lose on the current pass line bets. The 3 craps would only matter if someone was making a bet that the 3 would roll or if someone made a come bet. There were no such bets on the table.
The player earlier who made the place bet on the 10 is paid $27. Note that he would have been better off adding six more dollars to the 10 bet.
Here is why…
$15 to be paid $27 on the place 10.
$21 pays $40 on the ‘buy 10’.
So for six more dollars, he gets $13 more dollars. That’s better than 2-1!
Oh, why is it $21? Why the extra dollar? Because your bet is $20, but you pay a 5% commission to the house. In this case 5% of $20 is $1.
So if you want to place the 10, bet $20 and then pay the commission of $1.
I hope you answered my surprise quiz correctly. If you didn’t that’s ok. I’m here to teach you the wonderful game of craps, even if I have to answer for the 20th time why the 7 didn’t lose. I’m patient.
10:44 – 10:56
Shooters got a strong arm!
I give a thorough explanation of when a roll is a roll or no roll in the video.
Actually, I was there. He wasn’t shooting the dice that hard. They were just having a good time.
Another pay on the place bet of 6. The guy who told his friend to hurry up and shoot has the longest roll so far. That’s lol worthy.
You can hear the player asking for some ‘ones’ and then you see the dealer taking in the chip. The player is asking for change so he can tip his cocktail waitress. Most people tip $1 or $2.
Notice that the dealer has a purple stack of chips out. That’s to pay the guy who bought in for $3000 earlier, in case he wins bets that warrant a purple chip.
A Youtube viewer pointed this out.
Jim C said:
‘Check this out- grey jacket guy is shooting with no odds and only has a small stack of green chips in front of him. Now watch what happens when his buddy turns around at about 11:50. He slides his hand over to his buddy’s stack and pinches a small stack of reds then quickly drops them down as his own odds right before friend turns back towards the table. He quickly chucks the dice (and sevens-out).’
I’ll give the guy the benefit of the doubt and say that they’re good friends. I know if my wife reached into my stack, I’d be ok with that. She does that already.
Notice that even though the shooter didn’t make his point, most people on that shooter won money because of the relatively long roll.
The player at the far end of the table is ‘coloring up’. I included an explanation of what this means and how and when to ‘color up’ in craps.
Don’t hand your chips to the dealer, rather put it all down on the felt and say, ‘color’. They’ll know what you mean.
Make sure that if you intend to color, say color right away. Actually, if you’re new, before you put down your chips, say, ‘color’ and have the dealer acknowledge that you are coloring up. If you put your chips down when the dice are live and about to be shot (because you weren’t paying attention or don’t care), your chips will very likely be construed and booked as a bet.
YOU’VE BEEN WARNED!
We are back after a delay of several minutes. The staff was doing some procedural work that was boring and took a while.
But again, this slow down is actually good for you because it lessens the expected hourly loss.
Patience is your friend.
You’ll have plenty of action when the bases are loaded (craps speak for bets on the 4,5,6,8,9 and 10…all of them)
That’s a winner on the come out.
Why do dealers say ‘yo’? Because in the loud casino environment, ‘seven’ and ‘eleven’ sound way too similar. So they say ‘yo’ to distinguish the two calls.
The point is 5.
See how at this time mark the stickman is moving the little disc with the stick?
He’s covering the 5 for the ATS bet. The ATS bet is live even on the come out roll. So any numbers on the come out roll count towards the ATS. This means that the 7 on the come out roll will also cause the ATS to lose.
That’s the end of the video.
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