I’ve had several people ask about a craps procedure known as the ‘off and on’. I am going to discuss the ‘off and on’.

If you watch the video above, you will see that at 2:45, the shooter rolls a 9. RoadGambler has a come bet which then moves up (‘travels’, in craps parlance) to the 9.

Notice the red chip which is in the area of the layout marked, ‘come’. This is a come bet.

If you are unfamiliar with the come bet, here is a detailed post on the come bet: https://roadgambler.com/craps/craps-come-bet/

RoadGambler’s come bet on the 9 remains on the 9 until the 8:43 mark when the shooter rolls a 9. At this point, the dealer pays the 9 a total of $155: $5 for the come bet, and $150 for the odds on the 9.

Come bet + odds on 9 wins, paying $5 for the come bet and $150 for the odds on the 9. Odds on 9 pay 3-2.

Normally, the dealer takes the come bet down, along with the odds, and returns the original bet (along with the winnings) to RoadGambler.

However, notice in the video at 8:46-9:15 or so, you see the red chip at the bottom of the screen. That is another come bet by RoadGambler.

That come bet, which was bet before the winning 9 rolled, then causes the winning come bet 9 to be subject to the ‘off and on’.

To understand why dealers and players exercise the ‘off and on’, let’s do an exercise where ‘off and on’ does not exist. Here is what happens…

Imagine that after RoadGambler wins the 9 come bet and odds at 8:43. The dealer then hands the original bet and the winning bet back to RoadGambler; all of it. The reason why the dealer hands all of the original bet money back is because the bet won. The come bet and odds are now OFF (meaning that it cannot win or lose).

Then what happens next is that the dealer would take the come bet and travel it to the 9. The come bet at this point is a contract bet. It must travel to the 9, where the house has the advantage to win the come bet. The dealer would then ask RoadGambler, ‘how much odds you want?’ RoadGambler would probably answer, ‘$100’. Roadgambler then tosses in $100 to the dealer. So the $5+$100 odds in now ON (meaning it is live and can win or lose).

So now RoadGambler has the exact same bet as before as if the dealer just let the come bet and odds up.

So to not waste time and hands chips back and forth, the player and casino just leave everything up, using a procedure known as ‘off and on’.

That’s the reason why the dealer didn’t take down the come bet and odds on the 9 when the 9 rolled.

If you have any questions, let me know in the comments below.

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  • Craps fanatic says:

    I’m having a hard time understanding the following concept: When a 7 rolls on a come out roll, any existing come bets that have traveled to their designated number are lost, but only the contract bet; the odds are returned to the player. What rationale, if any, is there for this? Also, is there ever a time when these established come bets, or at least the contract bet, might win?
    Thanks for your insights.

    • RoadGambler says:

      CF,

      Think of the come bet itself (not the odds portion) is always working.

      On the come out roll of the pass line, you can have the odds portion of the come bet working. Just tell the dealer that want them working.

      The rationale is that it is better for the casino to have the odds off because effectively the player is playing without odds.

      As to your last question, yes, just tell the dealer that you want the odds on at all time. Just say, ‘come bet odds are always working’.

    • First off, the scenario you state is mostly, but not strictly true. Let me explain: It has to do with default assumptions about which bets are working or not working. “Right side” bets are like the Pass, once the Point is made (which in this case is a “Come Point”, not the shooter’s Point), they lose on a 7. Come, Come Odds, Buy, Put, and Put Odds are all “right” side bets. The majority of players are “right side” players. So after a 7 Out, the value of a 7 switches from being bad to being good (the Come Out). The default assumption is that players who have residue (chips) left up in the Point Boxes will want to root FOR the 7 during the Come Out. So, the dealers turn as much of the residue OFF as they can. They can’t turn the flat portion of the Come and Put OFF. However, any Odds bets on top are assumed to go OFF for the rest of the Come Out. Now if a 7 is rolled during the Come Out, the flat portion loses, but the Odds (since it is OFF) is returned to the player. However, if you have a Moved Come with Odds and there is a 7 Out, you may ask the dealer to keep your Come Odds working. They will place an ON lammer on top of your Odds. In this case, if your Come Point is rolled during the Come Out, both your Come and Odds will be paid out and returned. If a 7 is rolled, you lose both parts. In the default case where you DON’T ask the dealer to keep your Come Odds working, if your Come Point rolls during the Come Out, the dealer pays out on the flat part only. The Odds neither win or lose because they are OFF. And to answer question, that is why it is returned. Finally, for players that make “wrong side” bets (DC, DC Odds, and Lay), it is backwards. After a 7 Out, again, it is assumed the majority of players at the table will be rooting FOR a 7 during the Come Out. Now the DC and DC Odds win with the rest of the table. So the default assumption is these are left ON. But as a player, you may overrule the default and ask the dealer to turn these OFF. The Moved DC is different than the Moved Come in that a player may always turn it OFF or request it be taken down.

  • It is indeed the default mode to have the odds on a come bet not working on the come out roll. This not because it is better for the casino, however, since a player taking odds is neither +EV or -EV for the house but completely neutral. The reason most players prefer come bet odds not to work on the come out is because a 7 is a winner on the pass line, a bet which the player with the come bet(s) usually has as well. The table cheers the front line winner, but the come bettor watches all his odds disappear. When off on the come out, those odds are returned, and it may feel to the player like the 7, which is bound to come at some point, came at the best time.

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