When I’m gambling at the casino and playing craps, I love the place bet on the 6 and 8. If I’m not playing for the camera, I’ll typically bet about $12 max on the place 6 and place 8. If you see me place betting more, then I’m doing it for your entertainment.

I see this comment all the time in my craps videos, paraphrase, ‘why don’t you put a few hundred on the 6 and 8 place bets instead of odds?’

I’ll present this argument for why I do not make such a play: any time a player fails to max odds on the point of 6 or 8, and makes a place bet instead, that player is effectively betting the Big 6 or Big 8.

EXPLANATION OF THE BIG 6 AND BIG 8 BET

To make the Big 6 or Big 8 bet, the player places his chips in the area marked Big 6 or Big 8. The Big 6 and Big 8 bet is a self-service bet, meaning that the player makes the bet on his own.

Picture of the ‘Big 6’ and ‘Big 8” bets.

The Big 6 and Big 8 are two separate bets. The player is not required to bet both the Big 6 and the Big 8. A player makes bet one or the other or both. For example, here is a bet on the Big 8 only…

A player has made a bet on the Big 8. Usually, the Big 6 and Big 8 bets are subject to the table minimum, but the dealers and floor person have allowed this bet, probably because the player has met the table minimum on other bets.

Once the player has made his or her bet on either the Big 6 or Big 8 or both, the player will win if the corresponding number, that the player bet on, rolls before 7 rolls.

For example, in the picture directly above, if 8 rolls, the player will win, whereas if the 7 rolls, the player will lose. A win will pay even money. Therefore, in the picture directly above, if 8 rolls, the player will win $3 because the player bet $3.

If 6, 8, or 7 does not roll, then the shooter will continue rolling until a 6, 8, or 7 rolls. The Big 6 and Big 8 are multi-roll bets.

If this win-loss condition sounds familiar, that’s because it’s the exact same win-loss condition as the place bet on 6 and 8.

ALMOST NO ONE BETS THE BIG 6 AND BIG 8

If you watch my videos, you’ll almost never see anyone betting the Big 6 or Big 8. I’ve looked for it, and I’ve not seen it. The Big 6 and Big 8 bets are horrible bets. The vast majority of craps players know it, which is why almost no one ever bets it.

As much as I play craps, I see someone betting the Big 6 and Big 8 maybe once a year.

The Big 6 and Big 8 make no sense as a bet because for the exact same-win conditions, you can give your money to the dealer and be paid more money for the exact same win-loss. A $12 bet on the Big 6 pays $12, whereas a $12 bet on the place 6 bet pays $14. With both bets, the bet wins if 6 rolls and loses if 7 rolls.

Even if the player messes up and bets $10, the place bet is still better than the Big 6, in the above case. A $10 place bet pays $11, versus $10 payout for the same $10 Big 6 bet.

Bottom line is that the Big 6 and Big 8 are bets relegated to the player who is a noob and has no idea what they’re doing. It’s such a bad bet that Atlantic City casinos are not allowed to offer it.

Atlantic City craps layout. Notice that there is no Big 6 or Big 8 bet on the layout.

Las Vegas casinos are phasing it out because almost no one bets it. Here is a picture of a bet that has been introduced in lieu of the Big 6 and Big 8 bet…

The Under 7 and Over 7 bets have replaced the Big 6 and Big 8 on the same area of the felt. This bet is actually worse than the Big 6 and Big 8!

Hopefully, I established to you that the Big 6 and Big 8 are horrible bets. But, did you know that when you are making a place bet, you are effectively betting the Big 6 and Big 8?

THE PRACTICAL EFFECT

If I told you, hey ‘bet your money on the Big 6 or Big 8’, you’d tell me that I was crazy and didn’t know anything about craps. You would tell me that the Big 6 and Big 8 are a stupid bet that pays EVEN MONEY when the chances of losing are greater than the chances of winning. That’s why no one bets it.

However, let’s think about the place bet. Let’s say you make a place bet on the 6. You bet $60 on the place 6. A win would pay $70.

If it were an odds bet, you would be betting $60 to win $72. You are missing $2.

If you think about it, you made a $50 odds bet, and then you made a $10…Big 6 bet. Why? Because the $50 pays $60 and then the $10 pays even money. That’s how you end up with $70 payout on a place bet. The house ‘confiscated’ the extra $2 as a fee, which is how the house derives its house edge.

If the player makes a place bet of $6 on the 6 and $6 on the 8, the same effect remains. The house pays true odds on the $5 portion of the bet and then pays even money on the $1 portion. So the house treats the $1 as if it were a Big 6 or Big 8 bet.

You might say if you can’t just make a naked odds bet. That’s true when neither the 6 or 8 are the point and you are trying to access the 6 or 8 via the pass line or come bet. There’s a cost to the odds bet in that you must make a pass line bet to get to the odds bet. If you bet $15  on a 3,4,5x game, your expected loss is 21 cents on that bet in the long run. Remember, you will win 8 times automatically on the come out roll, so that offsets the disadvantage after the come out roll. That’s why over the long run, you will lose 21 cents for your $15 come bet (note that if the table minimum is less than $15, the expected loss is less).

However, 21 cents is still cheaper than $2, which you would be missing from your $60 come bet.

So, do you want to pay 21 cents or pay $2 for the same bet?

CONCLUSION

If you insist on making place bets on the 6 or 8, at least max your odds on the point of 6 or 8 before making a place bet. I’ve seen many players decline max odds, and instead place bet the opposite number. For example, if the point is 6, they will take less than max odds on the 6, and then load up place bets on the 8. The player in that case, is better off, in the long run, not place betting the 8 and shifting the place bet 8 money to the odds on the 6.

Alternatively, you are better off in the long run trying to access the 6 and 8 by making come bets and then taking odds on the 6 and 8. This strategy works better if you take odds when the point is 4, 5, 9, 10. If you decline the odds when the point is 4, 5, 9, 0r 10, then you must do a loss analysis and compare your play versus simply place betting. Also, this strategy works best on a table with a higher odds multiplier, and you are willing to bet the higher odds multiplier.

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6 thoughts on “Craps: You Are Making a Big 6/Big 8 Bet, And You Don’t Even Know It!”

    • I’ve been playing craps for about 30 years or so, and I have never seen a Big 6 or Big 8 that paid like a place bet.

      I’ve put this question out to some sources to see if they can verify the historical aspect of the Big 6 and Big 8. I’m curious.

  • Hey R.G.

    Yes the BIG 6/8 is an even money bet but I do have use for it (just a minute). Here’s where I differ though (as you know) on money management. On the PASS/COME you have to hit the number twice to win. Please remember, your waiting to establish your number, I’m already placed on my 6/8 “ON” on the come out and control the dice to not 7. I don’t care about $2 because while your winning your 6/8 I’ve already collected on mine and playing with casino money and have won twice. You can’t do that with PASS/COME

    Example 1: 7UWIN PLACE v.s. PASS/COME

    Come Out, 7UWIN Places the 6/8 for $12 each total $24 and Pass/Come $5 PASS line bet and $5 come bet on the second roll. 1st roll is a 6, 2nd is 8 : then there is a 9,3,12,11,4,5 and ending the session is a 7.

    7UWIN has collected $14 for his six and $14 for his 8 and Pass/Come collects nothing but has a $5 6 with $10 ODDS and a $5 8 with $10 ODDS. The 7 kills it but Pass/Come has a loss and 7UWIN is up $4.

    Example 2: 7UWIN PLACE v.s. PASS/COME

    Come Out, 7UWIN Places the 6/8 for $12 each total $24 and Pass/Come places a $5 PASS line bet and $5 come bet on the second roll. 1st roll is a 9, 2nd is 4 : then there is a 4,6,3,11,8,8,6,5,8 and ending the session is a 7.

    7UWIN has collected $14 for his 1st six. pressed his second. Collected $44 for his 8 from pressing it. Pass/Come has a $5 9 with $10 ODDS and a $5 4 with $10 ODDS. The 7 kills it but Pass/Come collects $23 on the 4 and 7UWIN is up $46.

    In my opinion, not getting paid when you hit that first number is HUGE for the $5 dollar (entry) player. HUGE. Yet I rarely never see “ON” buttons.

    I use the BIG 6/8 when I have a casino coupon and I want a 6 or 8. The casino wont let you make and odds type bet (Horn/Field/Place) with a coupon, most put it on the PASS. The PASS to me is a tax type bet I must make in order to shoot. I usually Don’t Pass most all other shooters unless one gets hot.

    • At the end of the day, even some of the worst bets on the craps table are not all that bad, especially when compared to other games. Craps moves slowly, so even on one roll bets, they’re not all that bad when compared to other games. Even on a bet like the Big 6/8, because it’s a multi roll bet, it’s actually not that bad comparatively.

      I like your strategy. I’ll have to write it down, and next time I’m playing, I’ll give it a whirl.

      Thanks for the input!

  • I found a video from horseshoe in council bluffs Iowa the big 6/8 bets are replaced with low dice high dice bets. The low side is 2-6 high side is 8-12 with 2 & 12 paying extra.

  • As noted, with the Lay bet, you hope a 7 appears before the number you bet against. There are more ways to make a 7 than any of the point numbers, so like the Don’t Pass Odds bet, you have to Lay more than you expect to win.

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